tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20990868.post5895247214469721874..comments2024-01-29T10:50:15.619-08:00Comments on Modern Americans: For Sam Lohmannrodney khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10515711262628729312noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20990868.post-73247764594338919632008-09-15T07:41:00.000-07:002008-09-15T07:41:00.000-07:00Also, in re the music--music exists for the lyrics...Also, in re the music--music exists for the lyrics "Worldes bliss ne last no throwe," "worldes bliss, have good day," "sumer is icomen in," "mirie it is while sumer ilast," "foweles in the frith," "with right all my herte now I you grete," "brid one brere, brid, brid one brere" and many others. See the Norton edition of Middle English Lyrics, eds Luria and Hoffman.H.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04778107483618332195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20990868.post-58672708646612314232008-09-12T08:26:00.000-07:002008-09-12T08:26:00.000-07:00Stevick is so full of shit. How are the scribes w...Stevick is so full of shit. How are the scribes who copied out, or the jongleurs who performed the lyrics "uneducated and unlettered"? What constituted "publication" when the works are being disseminated orally and in manuscript form, in little scraps and in songs? And just what are poets "properly so called"? I hate it when literary critics act as if the Middle English poets were a bunch of rabblerousing barbarians and the Renaissance poets enlightened and sipping from golden goblets. True, the M.E. period did produce such gems as lines like "Horn icham ihote / Icomen out of bote," but the Teams editors urge us not to be fooled by such "folksy simplicity." And who is Stevick to claim that Middle English writers were unself-conscioius? <BR/><BR/>Here I shcal beginnen a rym; <BR/>Krist us yeve wel god fyn!<BR/>The rym is maked of Havelok.<BR/>(Havelok the Dane, 21-23)<BR/><BR/>Middle English poery, just as often as "Renaissance poetry" is self-consciously wrought, aware of its relationship to an audience, and highly rhetorical in addition to being "lowly, popular and undisciplined." <BR/><BR/>Stevick also "cleans up" the idiosyncratic dialects and spellings of the poems and edits them all to look like Chaucer, who comes at the very *end* of the Middle English period. Stevick writes that the poems in his edition are "normalized as fully as possible with the emerging literary dialect of the London-East Midland region from about 1400." I don't want my poetry normalized, thanks. <BR/><BR/>Take a look instead at editor John C. Hirsh's _Medieval Lyric_ (Blackwell, 2005), who at least allows manuscript spellings. It's also worthwhile to check out the stodgy but delightful edition of _Early English Lyric_, edited by E.K. Chambers and F. Sidgwick which has a very adequate scholarly apparatus, notes on manuscripts and an essay "Some Aspects of the Mediaevel Lyric" (Chambers).H.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04778107483618332195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20990868.post-49661326118395626092008-08-29T17:05:00.000-07:002008-08-29T17:05:00.000-07:00Hi Sam,Been wondering the same thing re: the tunes...Hi Sam,<BR/><BR/>Been wondering the same thing re: the tunes, since most of the poems come equipped with choruses. It's that intimacy of the lyric with song that I dig about post-Saxon lyric, too.<BR/><BR/>Don't know if this book is anything special--it's one of the cheapies I picked up in Berkeley--but it's got the sort of "public academic" tone of that time, where all knots are Gordian but easily sliced. <BR/><BR/>Found "Unless As Stone Is" at last on the Powell's spinner. Glad to have it.rodney khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10515711262628729312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20990868.post-15268491628736221942008-08-29T08:51:00.000-07:002008-08-29T08:51:00.000-07:00Thanks. I should look at that book. I love when or...Thanks. I should look at that book. I love when oral traditions get preserved because someone took the trouble to condemn them in writing. I wonder if anyone's tried to reconstruct the tunes of those songs.Sam Lohmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397027152999149624noreply@blogger.com